Lordebon

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In your house zone Edit

Sorry if I messed something up from those "In your house..." quest things I posted and you deleted. I got to a quest page and it had some wikia notes asking to copy the link text and paste it to the redlink listed underneath it. Wasn't sure what it was for, but it looked like it needed to be done so I did it. Vagar ( talk ) 16:08, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

No problem. The issue was with whoever listed the zone as "In your house," not with your following the category directions and making them. In general, we only list actual individual zones for those (otherwise the categories break) and since "In your house" isn't an actual zone name I cleaned them up a bit. You were right in adding the categories, if it was a normal zone they would definitely be needed. It's only since the listed zone was wrong that I went and deleted the categories. -- lordebon ( talk ) 16:20, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Farming Guide Edit

Thanks for all the help so far. I should have joined EQ2Wiki much sooner, but am lazy when it comes to things like this. Can you copy my plat farming guide on my profile page and paste it into a guide for all players to see? I would like to make my guide available to the masses to both aid them and to be recognized as the plat farming champ that I am. I'm not afraid of them farming too much plat with these tips because most won't have the discipline and/or time to stick with it like I do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlatMaster ( talk • contribs ) 09:36, February 15, 2013‎ (UTC)

Sure. I'll move it over to a subpage and get it added to the user guides category where folks will be able to find it. -- lordebon ( talk ) 15:18, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the help so far. I started a blog about Wurmbone End and the need for SOE to do smart loot for the COE solo zones. I can't get the editing to do right on it though. Can you take a look at it and fix the editing for me please?

I also started a guide to custom appearance gear sets. I will be adding to that in the future as I figure out how best to take screenshots of my toons wearing the gear, and screenshots of the examine windows of the gear. It is my intention to post a screenshot of my toon wearing the whole set that I put together from mob drops, faction gear, quest rewards, & broker searches into cool looking matching sets. I also want to post screenshots of the gear in the examine window, and how I obtained the gear. I'll welcome any tips you have for this ambitious guide! —Preceding unsigned comment added by PlatMaster ( talk • contribs ) 08:09, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the blog. They're a new feature for us here at EQ2i, the formatting might be a bit different compared to a standard article. The guide sounds good (I moved it to your userspace as well, it's the proper place for personalized guides). My suggestion would be to try to use any existing screenshots of full sets that we might have (if it's just a full armor set), if it's a unique mix like it sounds they will be I'd just try to model the images after those we have for the armor sets (try to keep them all the same size so it looks consistent). For the examines, I suggest reusing examines we already have again (to avoid duplication) and maybe consider using Template:HideDiv and put the examines in little collapsible sections to keep your guide more compact. Then people can expand the examines / obtain info for sets they like without it being visible and taking up space for all of them. -- lordebon ( talk ) 15:00, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Adding Pictures Edit

I've been trying to add pictures to some of the mounts and I'm having troubles. When I use the Upload Photo button on the page it seems to want to automatically add it as an "in-game examine window" picture when I really want it to be a "(Equipped)" picture using the "iname2" field. What am I doing wrong so it won't do this? You can see an example at the Dark Harbinger's Flight Wings page. Thanks! Vagar ( talk ) 13:13, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is in the naming of your uploads. By default on EQ2i, images with an exact name match (eg., File:Dark Harbinger's Flight Wings.png ) are intended to be the examine window and will automatically be displayed as such if they exist. To upload a visible/equipped image, made the name something like File:Dark Harbinger's Flight Wings (Equipped).png and plug that into iname2. The template won't try to use it as the examine window image then. -- lordebon ( talk ) 13:23, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Of course! That's makes total sense. Is there a way I can go back and rename the other pics? I tried to do that but didn't see it anywhere. I messed up Majestic_Pridewing.png and Dark Harbinger's Flight Wings.png. Vagar ( talk ) 16:53, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately file moves require an admin or a rollback user, since moving files can cause a bit more of a vandalism or accident risk. You can request images to be moved using by adding {{Rename|newname|reason}} to the image's page and it'll get categorized for us to move. In the meantime I've moved the images for those two so they should be good now. -- lordebon ( talk ) 17:06, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Question about nonsense posts Edit

Just saw you deleted something that Rittmeister64 (that guy who ragequit the wiki because you wouldn't let him insult other users and blocked him for a week) posted, and I was wondering what you thought of this and this . Looks to me like subtle trolling. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 06:08, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing it out, the only trolls i like are the race in eq2 ;). -- ( Talk ) 11:11, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't see those at the time, but Chilli's taken care of them now. I was willing to let 1 by to give the benefit of the doubt, but if he's been making more random spam posts the longer suspension is warranted. Thanks for catching it, McJeff. -- lordebon ( talk ) 13:39, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Jeff. I appreciate following proper Homeland Security "see something, say something" protocol I'm glad you don't send me to Guantanamo Bay for writing blogs and just hand out 1 month bans. Rittmeister64 ( talk ) 04:53, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Item Stat Display Edit

Not sure if this is a big issue, or if it can be fixed but I've noticed some item stats display in different orders in-game than they do when the are shown on the Wikia. The only one I know of right now is that Multi Attack Chance (multi) shows up above Spell Weapon Multi Attack Chance (swmulti) on an item in the game, but the Wikia shows swmulti above multi. On the Template:EquipInformation, the swmulti stat is right above the multi stat. Is that why? Vagar ( talk ) 22:03, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

The item template uses the order set in the template, the order of the parameters when you call the template won't matter. We probably had them backwards in the template from lack of an example when that stat came out, if you can get me an example image of those 2 stats as in-game I'll be happy to swap them around. Ditto for any other you might find that are a different order on here than in-game. -- lordebon ( talk ) 22:06, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I've found a few examples in-game. It looks like it follows the pattern of putting the melee version, then the spell weapon version, then the next melee stat and it's spell weapon version and so on. I've changed the order in the template to match that now. -- lordebon ( talk ) 00:47, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Great, thanks!! -- Vagar ( talk ) 13:14, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Personal commentary in edits Edit

That's discouraged, right? I'm asking because User:PlatMaster has been adding his negative opinions to articles, like this and this . Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 21:44, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Correct. Comments are acceptable on the talk page, but first person commentary of any kind is undesirable on main namespace articles (a comment saying "I love this zone to farm" isn't appropriate just as much as "I hate this crappy zone" is, for example). I've cleaned up Cobalt Scar a bit, if you see any more feel free to edit them or let me know and I'll give them a look. -- lordebon ( talk ) 21:57, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

I should add for the record that this isn't officially codified in any policy that we know of, instead it's more one of those unwritten SOPs so do keep that in mind. -- lordebon ( talk ) 22:01, May 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hate to bother you twice in one day, but Rittmeister's back from his 1 month block and he's made a lot of really bad incomplete articles. Usually I'd assume someone was just confused by the markup, but he knows how to edit and I think he's trolling by making cleanup work for other people. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 02:36, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Most of what I see is just preloads. They don't have any info, but the few I've looked at are the correct template so I don't see any issue at this time. They may be incomplete, but it's still a valid start. If there is something more specific, let me know and I'll give it a look, but always try to assume good faith / give the benefit of the doubt. -- lordebon ( talk ) 02:58, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

SOE Webring Edit

Hey there. My name is Nic and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! Are you interested in joining the SOE Wikia Webring? We created a custom footer that can be embedded on the main page. These webrings help bring cross-traffic across multiple wikis on our site, and can help bring you new viewers and editors!

To embed the template, use this code { {w:SOEFooter} } - remove spaces between braces. To preview how it looks click here .

Thanks! - Wagnike2 ( talk ) 12:59, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds good Nic, I've added the footer template. Thanks! -- lordebon ( talk ) 13:21, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

New Achievements category Edit

I was trying to add Category:Live Events Achievements and Category:Loyalty Achievements to Template:Achievement . I got Template:NormalizeAchievementCat to take them, but the actual pages do not link at the bottom to the cats. Could you please fix Template:Achievement or the templates it calls on so articles like Festive Spirit are properly categorized? Many thanks. 71.234.215.133 04:01, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

I'll try and take a look at it tomorrow. If you don't see anything then, feel free to give me a reminder this weekend. -- lordebon ( talk ) 04:10, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

You will also need to add Brewday, Bristlebane Day, Chronoportals, Erollisi Day and Tinkerfest to Template:NormalizeAchievementSubcat . Considering I cannot get the main category template to work, I am hesitant to tinker with the subcat one. Apologies and gratitude. 71.234.215.133 04:39, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Done and done. You were on the right track, you just have to add the actual category tag (without the : in front) to get it categorized, since the first one (with the :Category) is a link to the category, which won't actually place the page in the category. Let me know if anything else comes up, and thanks again for your contributions. -- lordebon ( talk ) 13:11, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Next LE I can alter the templates, now that I know what I did wrong. Thank you for the instruction and the fixes. 71.234.215.133 19:23, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Gen'ris 's Race Edit

Hi Lordebon,

I'm new to the wiki and was just wondering, how did you figure out that Gen'ris was a dragon? I figured he was some type of underwater creature that I'd never seen before. Plus he was pretty scary so I couldn't get too close...

Also, what guides would you recommend that explain all the nuances (and coding parameters) of posting here? Thank you in advance for your input and guidance!

-- Paceyourself ( talk ) 19:39, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hi and welcome! Dragon was just a fill in (based on Chel'Drak being a "Dragon" turtle) for lack of a better option at the moment and to prevent the incorrect categorization (whatever you put in the race field, its gets categorized as such). I meant to go back and find a better fit, but got distracted. I've gone back and changed it to Behemoth , which seems to be a better fit. Races have always been a bit goofy, simply because the game doesn't expose race (aside from master strike races) and many of them are sort of best guesses.

As for the nuances and such, my suggestion is to start with looking at existing pages; just find a page similar to what you're working on and hit edit to take a look at the code. Then for more information, such as what each parameter for a given template does, check out the template page itself, which will have documentation on the various params (for example, Template:MonsterInformation ). There's also the Editor's FAQ and Template FAQ that have some basic editing info (and links to some other things). But in general I recommend the sort of "on-the-job" approach of just going for it. The nature of a wiki really encourages it; many times someone will start an article with the basics and then a more experienced editor will come along and tweak it or wikify it later. Plus us admins are always here to answer any questions and help however we can. Hope that helps :) -- lordebon ( talk ) 20:04, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Class Category Template Edit

I made a suggestion on the EQ2 main talk page about updating the class/category templates a bit. I hope all my suggestions don't come across as being demanding. I just don't want to cause any friction between myself and others.

I think McJeff took issue with the way I was manually adding in categories on equipment pages. I was doing so because the template jumbles the arrangement of the categories when subclasses are used. I'm sure a solution could be found that would arrange the categories alphabetically.

I'm not sure if that template has any other function but to add categories, but if that's all it does it should be fairly straightforward to modify it.

I posted over here also on the eq2 talk page EverQuest 2 Wiki talk:Main Page#Template Discussion Jado818 ( talk ) 01:54, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

I saw that, just haven't had a chance to write a reply yet. It's not a simple thing. More later. -- lordebon ( talk ) 18:08, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Block request Edit

Would you care to block User:MizuLuhta for me? I blocked him several years ago on another wiki and for some reason he decided to demand that I unblock him the other day - when I refused, he decided to troll every wiki I edit on trying to get my attention. He doesn't play EQ2 and has nothing to contribute to this wiki other than harassing me. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 00:47, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

I believe you, but it would be inappropriate for me to block a user without a valid reason supported by evidence. All I can see is a odd comment that hints to something of somewhere else, but that's hardly reason to block someone. If he harasses you here or you have evidence of such happening wherever I can act on that, but one random comment doesn't support such drastic action. To play devil's advocate, as far as I know he might be seeking an honest answer to a question in an attempt to atone. If you have nothing to say to them, just delete their comment from your talk page. If they persist I will step in and warn them off and block if needed. -- lordebon ( talk ) 01:04, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, that's fair enough, and I don't suppose you have any interest in looking at 3 year old difs from a wiki you've never edited. Thanks. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 01:12, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Lordebon! Edit

Is there an area of the wiki where we can create "test" pages? I've had a few that don't really act as intended using the preview function but posting them solidifies the formatting (or not). I'd like to create some "junk" pages for the sole purpose of posting and testing and then to be deleted at your whim.

Thanks for your reply! Paceyourself ( talk ) 23:01, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

For testing stuff you can make a sandbox (or more than one, just keep it within reason) as a sub-page of your user space. For example, I have User:Lordebon/Sandbox and User:Lordebon/Sandbox2 . You can even use them as templates if you want, you'd call them using the full name, such as {{User:Lordebon/Sandbox2}} , for example. They'd still require an admin to delete, but if it's just one or two you can just blank them and leave the edit history, it won't really hurt anything. For you, I'd start with User:Paceyourself/Sandbox .

As for things looking differently on submit vs preview, the preview pane is the same width as the content area so they should look basically the same. If you have a specific example of something looking significantly different between preview and actual page let me know and I can try to figure out why it'd be doing that as well. -- lordebon ( talk ) 23:06, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hail Lordebon!

Unfortunately I don't have any specific examples. I just remember on a few occasions thinking "Wow! It didn't look that way in the preview" and then going back and trying to figure out what happened. I also want to try some wikitables, color formatting and other advanced techniques. I just don't want to try them in a live environment.

Thanks again for the guidance and have a great evening! Paceyourself ( talk ) 23:49, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Problem with image placement Edit

A Hero's Gravestone the picture of the item keeps appearing in the examine window, I don't think it's suppose to do that but can't figure out how to fix it? Thundersnow ( talk ) 12:16, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

By default, images named exactly the same as an item page are considered to be the examine image (and that's what should be uploaded there). Visible images of gear/house items should get named with a " (Visible)" on the end of the name and that listed in the iname2 field. -- lordebon ( talk ) 14:11, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing it. "iname2" isn't listed in the parameters of Template:ItemInformation and the template is protected; can you add that there or should I ask on the template talk page? Thanks again. Thundersnow ( talk ) 18:47, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

The template has had it for ages, it just wasn't listed in the documentation for some reason (probably because it's not commonly used for items, mainly equipment). I've updated the docs to show that it exists. -- lordebon ( talk ) 18:58, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again. Thundersnow ( talk ) 19:03, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Automatic-updating user box Edit

I know FFXIclopedia has it in their templates....

Other than that A USER box that self updates or has an http://u.eq2wire.com/ link for updates ie or pulls detail form http://u.eq2wire.com/ as well as the exisiting templaties in here...

just a though Necrose ( talk ) 01:54, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

The way the wiki works, a self-updating userbox based solely on the wiki is not possible. It would require a bot continuously running (we have only manually-activated bots) and scraping the SOE API for changes; hardly an efficient use of resources. If you can give me a link to it on the FFXI wiki I can take a look, but my guess is they're just linking to a dynamically updated image or something generated elsewhere. Doing that is already possible on the wiki, you just use an external image link to the image (e.g., one provided by EQ2U). You could substitute that for the player info template or use it to augment it . -- lordebon ( talk ) 02:12, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

More insults/incivility from Rittmeister Edit

[1] . Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 16:53, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the report. I've seen him trolling the blog posts as well a few times recently. It's clear he has no intentions to contributing anything useful to the wiki anymore, and as such he has been banned. -- lordebon ( talk ) 17:10, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Man, guys, I just came here to add the new stat caps, and saw you banned me FOR LIFE. I wasn't trolling *ANY* blog posts, I just added a generic comment to 10 posts for the achievement. "LORDEBON" yes, that was one of them, I could have written "great post" instead, big deal. You should have a bit bigger skin than that. Banning people for this (last time you banned me 1month for something similar) is ridiculous.

My other comment was I GAVE CONGRATULATIONS to the guy who achieved the 60 days of daily additions. I know that is hard, cause I failed after like 40 days or so. The rest of the comment was merely a JOKE(TM) about not getting up too high in the highscore list. Looks like you don't have much humor unfortunately. I know, being Admin can get over your head sometimes, maybe think about that sometime and not abuse your powers so much in the future. Now, don't be a jerk and unban me, pretty PLEASE. I wont engage in ANY debates or user talk stuff anymore, promise. --Rittmeister64 from EXILE

I'll give you one more chance, since you present a view where your intentions could be good, even if the result appears to be trolling. With that said, as far as I'm concerned posting arguably troll-y comments on blogs is trolling. The point of the achievements system wikia added was to give users a sort of reward for doing things, not to encourage people to post nonsense to them to increment an achievement counter. If you want to edit, it's always appreciated; continuously disparaging other users and the administrators is not. It has nothing to do with thickness of skin: you were warned before and have already had 2 strikes. The wiki isn't a locker roomer, and we have a higher standard of behavior.

With that said, you will get one more chance, but any further insults to any users (including myself or any other admins) will not be tolerated and will be grounds for banning. I blocked you the first time for 1 week; later Chillispike blocked you for 1 month. The next time it will be permanent. -- lordebon ( talk ) 20:49, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Question about edits Edit

This question arose after I saw the following edit(s) and was preparing to correct the loc tag: [2]

Is it proper to include generic reward items/terms and location information for linked sub-articles? I thought the idea was to link to the quest NPC so that users could click on them for more detailed information. If that's not the case, what is the limit to information to be included on the "lead" page and shouldn't the reward items be properly linked?

Thanks for your insight!! Paceyourself ( talk ) 11:08, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'd say the /loc doesn't really belong (people can click through to the quest to NPC for that). I don't mind the short description of what slot is rewarded, since some folks might pick and choose which quests to do based on what they're getting out of it. It's also short enough that it doesn't extend the page, but instead fits in There's no real way to link to the actual item from the timeline page itself though, since it just describes what slot is rewarded while the actual reward is usually one of several depending on class/armor type. -- lordebon ( talk ) 13:21, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification! Have a great weekend! Paceyourself ( talk ) 09:52, December 7, 2013 (UTC)

Social media buttons Edit

please take a look at User talk:Chillispike#Social media buttons -- ( Talk ) 23:54, December 6, 2013 (UTC)

More Curiosity Edit

Hail Lordebon!

Would you take a look at the questions I posed on McJeff's talk page and weigh in? I'm just trying to fine-tune my understanding of these items. If they're helpful I'd like to start incorporating them into my additions and edits.

http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:McJeff#Couple_of_Questions

Thanks! ( Talk ) 20:05, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

Jado818's edits Edit

See the edit history for Pretty Ponies, All in a Row (and his post on its talk page), and Dock Delinquency .

On one hand, his point is worth discussing. On the other, this isn't the first time he's decided he wants to change something and decided to pick a fight about it rather than open it for discussion. I've been adding the reitemization quest rewards the same way for a long time, and he's the first to have a problem with it.

Furthermore, I think he's deliberately trying to harass me. I still don't know why he has a problem with me, but between the snide edit summaries, the thing where he would save and reupload copies of my images to the wiki under different names and then nominate the originals for deletion (he stopped doing this when I posted to his talk page about it but he knew what he was doing all along - I can provide evidence if required), and that rant against me on Talk:Admins. Any one of those and I'd have ignored it, but it's starting to be a real pattern with him. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 03:22, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

I am referring the matter of the way the classes are presented to discussion at Forum:Classes for Quest Rewards . For the issue of the images, you'll have to provide me with an example(s) to see what you mean. In general I think a lot of the conflict between you (McJeff) and Jado could be alleviated by greater communication and discussion. Wikipedia has the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle that I believe is an integral part of doing things. The leap should be to starting a dialogue rather than to revert and accuse by either side. -- lordebon ( talk ) 05:52, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

I posted my thoughts on that page. And I do discuss, but there's two things. One, I have tried discussing an issue with Jado and he didn't respond to me. Two, my experiences with aggressive editors has been that it's best to just go to the admins straight because trying to talk to them just makes them angrier.

What I mean about the images, and I wouldn't make an issue of this except, combined with the other things Jado has done, gives me a strong impression he's trying to harass me in low key ways.

I uploaded a file a while ago, File:Bellengere the Three.png . More recently Jado818 decided to create a disambiguation page for Bellengere. He then uploaded File:Bellengere the Three (Qeynos Capitol District).jpg (which is the same image I uploaded only changed to .jpg) and nominated my original one for deletion [3] on December 8th. I politely suggested he start using iname instead because it would be less work. He didn't respond.

However, he already knew about iname. See here on Marik McPherson III, where he used iname [4] . This was five days before the stuff with the Bellengere the Three article. Of course, Sigrdrifa was the one who uploaded File:Marik McPherson III.png .

This isn't even the first time he's done this. He did the same thing with A Thexian guard - creating a disambiguation, reuploading my image at a different location and then nominating my original one for deletion. In that case I moved his duplicate of my image and then moved my image, but it's the same thing with the reuploading my images and nominating the originals for deletion. And I didn't use to check Articles for Deletion too often, so I don't know if he did any before that or not.

The image stuff wouldn't be a big deal by itself. But combined with insulting edit summaries [5] and this on Talk:Admins, and the edit-warring, it looks like deliberate passive-aggressive harassment to me. Jeff ( talk | stalk ) 09:34, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

I reuploaded the image because I thought it would be cleaner to keep an image's name the same as an articles name. I have been making disambig pages for many of the npc's in EQ2. I stopped changing the file names after you asked me. I could have responded I supposed but after you left me that comment you will notice I haven't changed any names even though I have moved many pages that had images. I just relinked them.

I realized it seemed unnecessary to do the change manually, if somebody really wanted to go through and match the image name to the page name I'm sure there is an automated way to do so.

But onto the classes vs subclasses

I have been adding the specific class (ie warrior, berserker, assassin, predator) instead of the class grouping (not sure if you want to call that the subclass or the other way around but it seems pointless to argue over a word definition when it's not the subject).

I think it's clearer about exactly what class can use the equipment. I never understood the focus on class groupings (ie predator, crusader, etc) for much of the wiki's templates because the actual gameplay in EQ2 barely references it at all (I've only seen it during character creation). I like to make wiki's content that is easy to understand for new players and making the emphasis on these class groupings adds a level of unexplained information to an article. It is so much easier to just match up your actual class with an item than going through and figuring out what your class grouping is.

I'm also certain there would be a way to go through and automatically convert these class groupings into just the class but I'm still reading about automating scripts and other approaches to modifying data.

To be fair though, you did revert my edits without a comment, I just returned the favor although I did offer to start a discussion on the talk page. Jado818 ( talk ) 15:10, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, let's keep the discussion specific to the classes on the forum topic, to keep things in their proper place.

As for the images, proper procedure there when renaming an article (e.g., because a disambig is needed) is to tag the image for rename using Template:Rename rather than uploading a duplicate and deleting the old one. It is preferred to keep the image name the same, but it's also preferred to keep image histories just like we maintain article histories. You can either use iname in the short term to make sure the image stays or just don't bother and it'll show back up automatically once the image is moved.

In the future, lets try to stick to using that procedure. It's actually quicker to tag the old image for rename than uploading a new image, plus a greater number of people can do image moves (admins + rollback users) compared to those that can do deletions (admins only). -- lordebon ( talk ) 16:01, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Standardizing Some Far Seas Supply Faction Quests Edit

Just a heads up, in case you see a whole lot of major edits with my name attached...I decided to standardize notes, tips, and steps for the the quests from Madria Varas . The reason: holy moly ever so many user notes had been added in each quest that explained the same thing differently, I found it confusing to do more than one in a day and/or to Google them or pull them up here using, the in-game browser.

Major changes to the series of quests from her have happened in a couple of expansions in the time since most of them had been updated. First and foremost is the that the addition of Mass Production (a Tradeskill Prestige ability and the The Hand of the Maker has sped these up for solo and group completion. If course, I've taken care to alter things that are different in each quest (like NPC names and locs for subquests). I need to double-double, triple-triple check everything in the coming days as run through these again, so hang tight and I'll fix any errors. It's a good thing they added the new Pack Pegasus to keep me motivated. :) Yasuewho ( talk ) 07:57, January 29, 2014 (UTC) Yasuewho

Considering all 4 Quests have the same Notes and it shall be easier to keep them up todate .. how about a template for it?

I created Template:Madria Varas Quests Notes and used it on Clockwork Rescue (the text of the template was from there)

if you place that one the article instead of the whole text it would be a easier way to do that.

-- ( Talk ) 14:11, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

That works for me. Thanks Chillspike! I never thought to make a template, but it's a better solution. One more quest to update and it's just a matter of proof reading and finding all of my "tyops" in each quest. While I'm thinking of it, I wanted to create a page for the new Pack Pegasus that was added to the Far Seas Supply merchant, but I've never done that here. Do I just need to create the page and upload an image of the examine window? Is it just a matter of using frames when an image is inserted on an item page, to make it look tidy like the others? Or does this wiki pull info from the data that SOE has given to websites? I'm still a padawn at "wikifu" Yasuewho ( talk ) 16:41, January 29, 2014 (UTC)Yasuewho

I know what ya mean

For the screenshot try to cut it down .. if the screenshot has a little more then the just examine window it's no big deal tbh, i tend to cut it at the frame of the window. makes no huge diff tbh.

The best way to do the wikify is .. copy/paste of a kinda common item at to start with.

The are many flying mounts that have more or less the same information in it, for example look at Dark Pegasus . .it should have a quite good wikify for a flying mount and try to add the information there.

If you can't get it 100% right feel free to drop a comment here or on my talkpage and will take a look into it.

-- ( Talk ) 17:27, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Excellent good, thanks again Chillspike! I've added the page and uploaded an image of both the examine window and of the mount while equipped. Have a looksee at Far Seas Pack Pegasus if you want to look for any errors. It really is a level 93 mount, which seems odd, but I took that info from the examine window. I added a note there to help clear up confusion about the faction needed for it. Holy cow, that comes up so often in game! I wish the EQ2 Dev team had given the currency for that merchant a more generic name. Yasuewho ( talk ) 18:50, January 29, 2014 (UTC)Yasuewho

I added the missing Mission Stones as items today, so the pages that mention them for speedy travel have links to show what they are/added image of the examine window. Somewhere between dealing with RL dog aggro (poor, bored puppy) I may or may not have duplicated a page. When I search, I don't see it on the user-end, but I don't know if you have access to metadata that might show otherwise. The potential duplicate is for Mission Stone of Shipyard Cove . Yasuewho ( talk ) 22:54, January 29, 2014 (UTC)Yasuewho

Heads up: troll afoot. Edit

I was going to pull the image down right away, but I'm not sure if you need to eyeball it first; you may need to break out the ban hammer for http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/User:Daymius

This bozo just added an inappropriate image to the Fiery Jewel of the Underfoot rewards section. It is )was) a typical, lame troll favored pic. Old person of some sort. Yasuewho ( talk ) 23:57, February 7, 2014 (UTC)Yasuewho

Handled, thanks for the heads up. -- lordebon ( talk ) 00:00, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Tears of Veeshan Artwork for Background Edit

Hey Lordebon,

How's it going? I recently tried to add the official art for Tears of Veeshan as a background image to the Wikia. However the changes do not seem to be taking effect. Is there any way you can look into it? Or maybe I can try to send you the file directly?

Thank you, -Yaviey, Wiki Project Manager @ SOE ( talk ) 20:34, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

I saw the upload yesterday, it looks like its working for me here today on this computer (it's the blue dragons/VI picture, correct)? Wikia has some ugly image chaching issues where new versions of images don't always update to what you uploaded for a while. Are you still seeing the red ToV background? -- lordebon ( talk ) 20:39, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Lordebon, yes I'm still seeing the red ToV background and some odd black areas as well. Very strange! I'll try to clear my cache and see if that helps. Thank you! -- -Yaviey, Wiki Project Manager @ SOE ( talk ) 20:41, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

The black is part of the original red ToV image (one of wikia's folks cut out the part of the image thats normally hidden behind the content area, I guess to cut down on image size). I do think it's just a cache issue, you can try poking wikia about it, as there's nothing I know of wiki-side that forces an update sadly. -- lordebon ( talk ) 20:43, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Question about redlinked articles Edit

Hi Lordebon!

As you've probably noticed, I've been spending a large amount of time in the equipment redlinks . I have a question...

My goal is to open an article and completely update (remove) every redlink on the page. I finished the Cenobite's Citadel (Armor Set) a few days ago (including the pattern redlinks) and it's still showing on the equipment redlinks page. I've noticed that there's no way for me to edit and remove that category once I've finished.

How long do items remain "redlinked" after all redlinks are removed/updated?

Thanks for your insights! ( Talk ) 10:36, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Temporary fixed.

normaly wikia runs a bot or so that saves every article once every day to update all articles.

I just went to the armorset and the armor pieces and did a blank edit .. not a actual edit just edit and save. The categorie got updated that way and doesn't show it anymore in the equipment redlinks .

-- ( Talk ) 12:12, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Basically what Chilli said. When changes are made to anything that's used as a template, the wiki adds all the pages that call that to what's called the job queue to be updated automatically. In a standard wiki, every time someone visits a page the wiki software typically does one (or more) jobs from the queue. The more pages a template change affects, the longer it'll take for things to get updated through the queue. If you want to make sure it looks right now, you can basically do a null edit (or just add ?action=purge to the end of the URL and hit enter, same thing but one less pageload) to force that page to update immediately if you want to check if something's working. I believe wikia does things a little differently because they run so many wikis, so the job queue may just get run all in one batch every so often rather than the original MediaWiki approach.

With that said, something with only a few affected pages like an armor set should update pretty quickly, but only once each individual page has updated will the wiki then need to update the category that is checking if there are redlinks. Because there's that second stage (and checking if a page exists is an "expensive" parser call) it can take longer than just updating the pages, sometimes an hour or more depending on how busy the site is and how big a change was done. -- lordebon ( talk ) 15:46, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! I figured there was some type of automated process at work here. Some months ago I noticed the voluminous equipment redlinks and decided I could contribute by helping clear those out. As I worked through them I realized it's like trying to drain a lake (with a bucket) that has a river feeding it! CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! My plan of attack was to start at the beginning and methodically work my way through them.

I started to get curious about the process when I found myself selecting articles I had cleared out months ago that are still listed (Examples: The Abominable Shimmeroot and The Acidic Mass ). At first I thought I had missed a redlink or someone had posted a new drop but I could never find a missing redlink... yet the articles persist.

It's not significant, but there's something gratifying when you attack a mountain with a shovel and (after a few months) find that you've indeed made a dent! Thank you for satisfying my curiosity! ( Talk ) 08:05, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Front Page News Section Edit

Hey Lordebon,

Would it be possible to change the front page news/blog section to only list out a snippet of the blog instead of the whole thing? When a lot of images are added it gets rather long and it doesn't look very good. Here's an example: [6]

Thank you, -Yaviey, Wiki Project Manager @ SOE ( talk ) 01:33, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Here's the problem: the bloglist extension (provided by wikia, what we use for the blog-powered news) won't allow you to use the summary length to clip the post after X characters when its in "noparse" mode, but "noparse" mode is the only mode that allows for links, images, and all that good stuff to actually work. If we put it in a mode that allows for that, you get this ; no pictures, no links, very boring and in my opinion ugly.

Given that our news is "below the fold" I don't think the length is that bad of a problem; when weighing it against the no-links, no-pictures, cut-off mid-sentence version I think it's pretty heavily on the side of the way we have it now. I would love for the ability to use a manually-set snippet (rather than automatic after X characters) so that you can set where in the blog post it should cut to "Read more...". I'd also love for it to allow us to do that in the noparse mode so that the blog posts actually look good/are full-featured rather than going to text-only. My guess is the reason its not working is just sort of lazy programming so that it does not have to validate itself and adjust if the stop point happens to be inside a tag rater than just content text. They probably never originally intended it to be used for news like this, but perhaps you can (through your partnership with wikia as SOE) get them to devote a little time to expanding the bloglist extension so that it better fits our needs like this?

Let me know which of the two options you prefer based on this. I strongly prefer the current method and honestly would need to get at least some kind of consensus of our users before changing to the other mode, given it's limitations. -- lordebon ( talk ) 01:56, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Lordebon,

Thanks for looking into this for us. While the blogs are mostly below the fold, I think it still looks tacky to have it extend out so long, especially because the formatting of the blog post itself isn't always taken into account on the front page. Plus it gives less incentive for the user to click "read more" and be able to comment if they can see the whole thing. In addition, when we pull stats on blogs, if the whole thing is on the front page and a user doesn't click over to read the blog, our numbers are not accurate. We have to be able to validate that spending time writing blog posts for the wikias is worth it or not. Of course I would love to have at least one image and a way to designate the cut off point as is a capability with most sophisticated blogging software. I'll see if we can discuss this with Wikia but our partnership with them doesn't including getting to add software functionality to the wikias. ;)

Thanks again, -Yaviey, Wiki Project Manager @ SOE ( talk ) 18:28, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I understand your perspective (and the need for useful analytics!), but I'd like to see what the users prefer so I started a forum topic and put a link to it in the top notice. As for Wikia, I understand there as well, but a little prod coming from a large corporate partner will probably carry a bit more weight than a request from a wiki aministrator alone. Plus manual clipping would be a good feature for the PS2 wiki as well as any others that use the bloglist extension for news and the like. I took a quick look at dev.wikia to see if the extension was customizable or even had code available but I don't see any documentation on it and sadly my php chops aren't quite up to digging around in the wikia code on github (plus I'm not a developer to even try to propose code changes).

That said, I'm okay going to the snipped format provided there's not universal dislike of it. I know personally it's easier to just read the blog post on the main page without having to click through (which kind of hurts your analytics of how many people are reading them, heh) so that might be something to bear in mind: getting data at the cost of lowering the user experience. Anyway, I'd like to let the poll run until the end of the week and see what kind of feedback we have then, does that sound reasonable? -- lordebon ( talk ) 19:12, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like I was in the minority for sure! Feedback has pretty unanimously been in favor of the shorter versions, so I'll switch it over. If you or Luperza have a preferred length for it, let me know and I'll update it. Otherwise I'll just set it near the default at 200 characters for now. -- lordebon ( talk ) 23:47, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

About the housing changes... Edit

Heya Lordbon, since I was so tired earlier (and think I was extremely vague) I updated my explanation of proposed changes to the Housing template and some of the categories. I'm sure you're extremely busy and likely to miss the edits that fly by, to I thought it worthy of stopping by and mentioning it here. The good news is, I am tired again and I'm just going to drop off this messy link back there: http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Housing_with_Upkeep_Costs#Explanation_of_Purposed_Category_Changes_for_2014

Yasuewho ( talk ) 07:43, March 20, 2014 (UTC)Yasuewho

Thank you! Edit

Hi Lordebon,

I just wanted to stop by and give you a huge THANK YOU for your work on the icons! Those that come after us will never know what a monumental breakthrough this is. For them it will seem trivial because that's all they will ever know. Of course, they won't get to play "Where's Waldo?" like we have. You've saved me untold hours just in the past few days (and much more in the time to come) and I just want you to know that your work is GREATLY APPRECIATED ! Every time I use an iconid iconnum, a smile spreads across my face. You've made at least one fellow Wikian very happy!

Thanks again and have a wonderful weekend! ( Talk ) 19:13, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lordebon!

Can you have a look at the conversation Jeff and I are having about the icons? It's located here .

EDIT -> See this conversation too!

Thank you for all your hard work! ( Talk ) 14:36, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Key Moments of MMO History Video Narration Edit

Hey there Lordebon, my name is Doug and I'm a member of Wikia's Community Development Team! Wikia is creating an exciting Key Moments of MMO History video that will showcase several amazing games of the genre. We're looking for admins of MMO wikis who would be interested in submitting a short vocal narration about their game of choice.

We want to ask you the question What is the most important moment in Everquest 2's History?

If you're interested, please record an MP3 voice narration of your answer, a few sentences to a small paragraph is fine. If you have no recording software and are still interested, we can schedule a Skype call to record! Please send the finished recording to doug@wikia-inc.com and you'll be featured in the video to represent your community! Thank you and have a good one! TheBlueRogue •( profile )•( talk )•(doug@wikia-inc.com) 19:50, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Whoo, that's a tough one. I'll have to give it some thought, do you have a rough deadline for submissions? -- lordebon ( talk ) 19:52, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

The rough deadline for submissions is 4/28. I appreciate the interest! There are no wrong answers here either, so don't be afraid to choose your own personal favorite moment of playing the game as opposed to an all-encompassing most important moment. Don't hesitate to get in touch with me if you have any questions! : > Thank you! TheBlueRogue •( profile )•( talk )•(doug@wikia-inc.com) 19:58, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lordebony
Can you please take for the armor set image placement? We've achieved some consensus at the bottom of this post. :) Thanks in advance. -- ( Talk ) 22:40, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

IP Address 68.98.17.179 Edit

Hi Lordebon,

This is Paceyourself. I saw a minor edit and made it without logging in! I think I've had this IP for a few years so if you see it, it's most likely me. Paceyourself - AKA 68.98.17.179 20:44, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

No worries, editing from an IP when not logged in is fine, we only take action if we see something bad going on (the same as we'd do for a registered user). Anonymous (IP) edits are always welcome, be it from folks who've never registered or who just forgot to log in :) -- lordebon ( talk ) 22:45, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

LOL, You know I'd never intentionally make a bad edit! Right now I'm only playing sporadically for a few hours a week. If I pop in here it's just to look something up and maybe make a minor edit if I see that it will enhance the article. Keep up the good work! Paceyourself - AKA 68.98.17.179 18:14, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

census icon needs a fix Edit

hiya!
Since Daybreak is hosting EQ" now the websides have changed. Please take a look at Forum:"iconnum" no longer works and/or Template:CensusIcon -- ( Talk ) 08:46, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a better look tonight. Far as I can tell you've updated the URL correctly (and if you click the links, it goes to the icon correctly) so I'm not sure why it's just spitting out the URL instead of popping in the image, its the same way it was before. -- lordebon ( talk ) 10:45, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

input welcome Edit

input welcome about TLE servers Talk:Admins#TLE Servers -- ( Talk ) 05:24, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

CQuestInformation Question Edit

Hi!
Any idea how we could handle "meta collections"? I've used the "M" in The Great Haunt it's a Meta collection and needs 1 rare from the normal collections.
-- ( Talk ) 09:38, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

The "M" was an old type used for Multiple IIRC. I'm surprised we don't have a "other collections" source. I'll take a look this weekend and see if I can't add one. -- lordebon ( talk ) 02:01, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Oki, i was also thinking about adding more categories for the collections to show them by "type" -- ( Talk ) 14:53, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

glowing media wiki formating Edit

Hi
I added the "eq2-prestige" to make the new prestige tag green, but i can't get it "glowing" like the i-cat Fabled and so on. can you help plz? :D -- ( Talk ) 13:39, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

That's usually a CSS thing, and that can be tricky and require a lot of purging and just some time to flow down (Wikia caches the CSS in a way that even purging doesn't instantly replace, iirc). I'll take a look at this and the CQuest thing this week or (more likely) this weekend; work's been busy so I haven't had a lot of time to poke around. -- lordebon ( talk ) 23:50, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you in advance. Tranquil Censer of Confinement is the item with prestige btw. -- ( Talk ) 09:11, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, those templates make my eyes cross, finding the classes and whre the CSS is hiding is like going down the rabbit hole (a legacy of the the Flo days I think). The text shadow for the rarities is in MediaWiki:ExamineWindow.css , I just added the eq-prestige class you set up for the Prestige text to the green shadow on there and it's showing up for me now after a purge. I've never quite liked how those text shadows look (they're far from what you get in game) but it does look a touch better with than without. If you don't see it yet, give that CSS page a purge to refresh your cached CSS and then take a look at the example item. LMK if there's any problems. -- lordebon ( talk ) 17:30, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

loc and loc2 Edit

Hi, a third thing (sorry)
I created Template:Loc2 so it's possible to make locations like {{loc2|299.96 127.68 222.64}} to ( 300, 128, 223 ) /waypoint 299.96, 127.68, 222.64 . purpose is to add locations faster now, considering you can do "/loc clipboard" ingame and just paste the loc into that. The current call of loc is unchanged and i ain't plan to change that :)
Question: you ok with it? if yes i'll remove the "For now use at own Risk!" line in the template and update it some more where it needs to be.
-- ( Talk ) 20:08, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

That's okay with me. What would be ideal honestly would be if we just made it so Loc detects if you gave it one param or three and it decides which code to use then - the old code for 3 params (so we don't break backwards compat) and the new code for 1 param. -- lordebon ( talk ) 20:22, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Sigrdrifa for News Edit

Hi
Could you add "Sigrdrifa" to MediaWiki:MainPageNews to support us with occasional news? -- ( Talk ) 13:46, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so the news was controlled by MediaWiki:MainPageNews but it looks like wikia locked down editing anything in the MediaWiki namespace earlier this year so I couldn't update that. Since that page really doesn't belong there (The MediaWiki namespace is used for system things) I just copied it to Template:MainPageNews and added Sigrdrifa to the list of approved authors. If she posts a blog with the News Category it should now show up on the front page. Let me know if there's any problems, and happy holidays! -- lordebon ( talk ) 00:14, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

User blog:Sigrdrifa/LU100, The Siege of Zek, has arrived! is there and has the category News but it doesn'T show on the Main page .. could you take a look plz ? -- ( Talk ) 12:14, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

planning "huge" bot run Edit

Hi!
I plan a real huge bot run.
The goal is to import a lot (~180.000!) of items from the census, I'll skip quite some like Spell scrolls and Coin purses and i get there step by step.
So far i managed to..

• find double item names and started to deal with them in a wiki way. (altname, dab and disambig page)
• Parsing the most of the parameters (from census to wikia)
• handling adventure classes (need to take a look into artisan)

I plan to get the effect desc from census, so Template:EquipEffectDesc will be less used, faster to parse it that way then to find similar effects in that amount.
I do use parameters the templates have atm, or add parameters when they are missing.
"How i actually plan to do it with each article that is on the wiki allready":

1. check what is the name on wikia and compare it with "my name"
2. in AWB i'll see what do i change there so i can change the some of the information, but not everything (like obtain)

I have to sort lot of things to be semi final, but i get there and atm i focus on Armor (82k), Shields (6k) and Weapon (34k).
In 1 or 2 weeks i wanna do first run with the 6000 shields
I also consider the "last_update" of an item to find when they changed something

• Question1: Way to go in general?
• Question2: Ok that i do a test run with the 6000 shields, once i got it prepared?
• Question3: The only thing i'm a little worry about is How could i actually upload/import ~150.000 new articles in a fast way? (By import i mean: It doesn't exsists on eq2.wikia as article)
  

If you wanna take a preview please take a look at Voidstaff of Destruction . It has to many blank parameters atm, but good for preview -- ( Talk ) 10:30, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

I'll look at this this weekend, I'm kind of under the weather today. Overall I'm for using census to backfill where we're missing items, but I'd focus on items we don't have an entry for whatsoever first. Then worry about going over ones that already exist once things are tweaked and you've got most of the params down. -- lordebon ( talk ) 21:55, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

I'll try to do some exsisting ones first so spot misstakes in my parse, so i'm sure that i generate an equal result when i parse the item from the census.

So far i managed to the most of the parameters

some need some on work to get it done right, like a shield and a secondary items are somewhat similar in the census.

atm i can generate 36-38 items per second localy

No worries i'll need some time (days) to get it done right anyway =)

-- ( Talk ) 22:27, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

headline message Edit

Hi!
Could you please change the headline message ( i mean the one you can dismiss ), if it's even possible?
Text: Please don't use the "Visiual Editor" to edit artiles on this wiki, we are to template heavy for that feature.
-- ( Talk ) 09:40, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

The sitenotice (the dismissable message you're talking about) hasn't been possible since wikia forced the change to the Wikia/Oasis skin years ago sadly, it only ever worked in monobook. You can try asking Wikia if they would be willing to disable the visual editor sitewide (since honestly the Visual Editor shouldn't be used for much of anything here, since everything is templated) - see Special:Contact/features , but it's a long shot, and you'd probably want to get a consensus that it should be disabled before even attempting it (let me know I'll happily add my 2c). Wikia's heavy-handedness is part of why I'm not active much anymore. -- lordebon ( talk ) 01:06, May 5, 2016 (UTC)